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December 28, 2024 at 10:10 pm #53027WaisakaParticipant
Hi sir lal, I came across someone who said that abhidhamma is not the teachings of the buddha
Because in the first and second councils, there was no abhidhamma word.
Is that true?
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December 28, 2024 at 11:45 pm #53028taryalParticipant
I noticed this before but if abhidhamma was “invented” by generations of monks after Buddha Gotama, I would expect it to contain many inconsistencies with the Suttas. But so far, I have not seen any significant contradiction.
Additionally, the so-called “scholars” who make those statements are non-ariyas who frequently make mistakes in their translations of the Pali Tipitaka. So I wouldn’t trust them. That being said, it has been stated that Abhidhamma in its final form was completed in the 4th Buddhist Council, almost 5 centuries after our Sammasambuddha. But the main framework was already there in the 1st council:
“21. Pañcasatikakkhandhaka” section of the “Cūḷavagga” of the Vinaya Piṭaka contains a small section at the end called Tassuddānaṁ which summarizes the events of the First Buddhist Council. It contains this verse: “Upāliṁ vinayaṁ pucchi, suttantānandapaṇḍitaṁ; Piṭakaṁ tīṇi saṅgītiṁ,akaṁsu jinasāvakā.”
- That says: “Venerable Upāli recited the Vinaya (Upāliṁ vinayaṁ pucchi,) Ven. Ananda recited the Suttas (suttantānandapaṇḍitaṁor sutta ānanda paṇḍitaṁ), and all of the 500 Arahants present recited ALL THREE Piṭaka (Piṭakaṁ tīṇi saṅgītiṁ,akaṁsu jinasāvakā.)
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December 29, 2024 at 2:13 am #53029WaisakaParticipant
And in digha Nikaya, 16.6.1
The Buddha said that after he had mahaparinibbana, Only the Dhamma and Vinaya will be our teachers.
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December 29, 2024 at 2:50 am #53032HugoZylParticipant
And in digha Nikaya, 16.6.1
The Buddha said that after he had mahaparinibbana, Only the Dhamma and Vinaya will be our teachers.
Dear Waisaka
So would you say that when you were in school and refered to your teacher as a teacher, you were actually lying? 😊
In my humble opinion, if the Sutta is your light, use the Sutta. If the whole Tipitakka is your light, use the whole Tipitakka. There is a saying: the more the words, the less the meaning. Only 3 words are necessary: anicca, dukkha, anatta.
May all have a true light in their lives. 🙏
Namo Buddhaya ☸️
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December 29, 2024 at 6:04 am #53033LalKeymaster
“The Buddha said that after he had mahaparinibbana, Only the Dhamma and Vinaya will be our teachers. “
- There is no contradiction. Abhidhamma is also Dhamma.
- Abhidhamma is the same as Dhamma in the Sutta Pitaka, but it is presented a bit differently (systematically and analytically).
- Here is a rough analogy that can give the idea. To drive a car, one does not need to understand the physics and engineering of how it is built. However, if the car breaks down while driving, that person cannot fix even a minor problem and could get stuck. However, someone with a bit of knowledge about the car may be able to fix a minor issue. A mechanic with more knowledge about the car’s construction may be able to fix more problems.
- That is how we should look at Abhidhamma. The more Abhidhamma knowledge one has, the easier it becomes to resolve some issues that may arise while studying suttas.
- Also see “Abhidhamma – Introduction.”
P.S. As discussed in that post, Abhidhamma was not taught to the public at the time of the Buddha. The Buddha described the Abhidhamma framework to Ven. Sariputta, and it took over 200 years for bhikkhus to develop the Abhidhamma theory fully. Only ready parts were recited in the early Sangayanas (Buddhist Councils), and the completed Abhidhamma Pitaka was recited in the third Council about 250 years after the Parinibbana of the Buddha. See #7 in the post.
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December 29, 2024 at 7:21 am #53036WaisakaParticipant
Thank you very much Mr. Lal and friends, now I understand it.
Giving examples with more obvious analogies 😊🙏🙏🙏
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