Reply To: Tilakhanna & Fear

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Sybe:

This is interesting.

“. there are mentioned four ways of going wrong; chandagati, dosagati, mohagati and BHAYAgati. It are ways to express how we, or mind, takes a wrong way/route under the influence of greed, hate, delusion and FEAR.”
(My Capitals).

The introduction (to my mind) of the elememt of fear is new to me to the extent of its occurence in the Suttas as an indication of its leading, or otherwise, to Nibbana. Quoting you furher:

“.. Bhayagati is going wrong due to fear, due to shiness, due to lack of selfconfidence, due to nerves, being timid etc. What needs to be done in a certain situation is not done because of that bhayagati, the influence of fear on the mind and behaviour. I feel this is happening a lot.” Now then, whence ( woher?) this fear? And how to remove it?
And….” I feel this is happening a lot?” Do you mean you feel it is happening all around you? In you? Or both?

Many years ago these two words popped into my mind; Atyatar Bhayam. Or Adhyatar Bhayam, or Adhiyatar Bhayam. I am sure you get the sound of it. I knew from Sanskrit that Bhayam means fear, or from fear or having to do with fear either as a cause or as an effect. I tried searchibg for clues about what the first could possibly mean, but except for Adhi (higher, best, unsurpassed, utmost etc) I made no headway.

Where exactly in the Suttas are these FOUR agatis mentioned,if I may ask?

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