Reply To: Could bodily pain be due causes other than kamma vipaka? December 24, 2017 at 3:39 am #13327 Tobias GParticipant But there should not be a contradiction within the Tipitaka. The question is, wether here the sutta talks about paccaya or real causes or causes which finally origin from kamma. I think Lal should have a closer look at the pali version.