Upekkha,
Those suttas are referring to the saddha of anariyas right? Not the aveccappasāda(unwavering saddha) of Ariyas’
Insight into this, along with an answer is found.
Please go back to the post:
Kamma and Kamma Vipāka › AN 10.219 Karayakayasutta (The Body born o f Deeds)
the last two entries speak about the opening verse of the Nitthangatasutta AN 10.63:
” all those who have come to a conclusion about me are accomplished in view. (“Ye keci, bhikkhave, mayi niṭṭhaṃ gatā sabbe te diṭṭhisampannā.”
This, for common folk, that is, grammatically,may be taken in two ways: 1) aveccappasada in the Buddha leads to sammaditthi; i.e because of their reverence, esteem,veneration, and an unswerving and ULTIMATE, FINAL , having come to a stop, a conclusion, with no further room for it beyond (Nittha) , owing to that ditthisanpanna results. 2) because of ditthisanpanna all those qualities, reverence……etc become attributed to the Buddha in one’s heart.
Now ditthi cannot arise in oneself just because one loves the Buddha. You find people owning Buddha heads and statues, some even boast about their collections of such, declare their ‘admiration’ of the Buddha, the calming influence these bring into their lives, and so on, yet they have no idea of the 10 types of micch ditthi. When one KNOWS that one has no problem with any of them, then one has sammaditthi. Living one’s internal life in line with that, and externally with the developement of kusala in deed, word and action, dana, sila in general and so on, aveccappasada arises. It is a feeling of great, of immense appreciation that is impossible to fully give expression to.
It is sammaditthi then that leads to magga phala, (as the rest of the Sutta shows) not mere pema (love) nor even aveccappasada itself, for that is only the natural consequence of ditthsanpanna.
I have not stopped contemplating this one verse ever since as it brings great joy and peace of mind. May you share in it, Upekkha
With Metta